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Old 09-03-2019, 03:47 PM   #1
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Default Hardie or MacDougal

Hi all

I am going to be looking at a couple of older pipes.. A Hardie set. and a MacDougal set.. I don't know anything more than that.. Just been around for quite a while.

Neither one has the chanter that came with them. Plastic band chanters are on both spares for a busy band..

Is there markings on these brands somewhere other than the stock chanters which are not there. ??

Anyone tell me which would be the better way to go if they are both functioning well.. Or flip a coin..

Did all MacDougal have brass lined drones.?? Read something about that Not sure I like that. Wetness would be similar to plastic pipes.

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Old 09-03-2019, 09:37 PM   #2
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Default Re: Hardie or MacDougal

The McDougals will be considerably older than the Hardies.

In general, McDougal drones are highly desired and many modern makers are copying their specs in reproductions.

Hardie drones are still being made, but there was a period where some of their drones (from what I understand) weren't that great, but the majority of their pipes are good quality.
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Old 09-04-2019, 07:20 PM   #3
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If you have the opportunity to acquire a set of MacDougall pipes in good condition (preferably one made by Duncan, although his son Gavin also made excellent instruments), if you can afford such a quality instrument, and if you are serious about investing time and effort in piping - go for it without hesitation over any Hardie. You will likely never need another pipe unless you eventually need a traveling set (risky to cross borders with ivory mounted pipes) or one for use in foul weather or massed bands (where it could suffer damages).

The value of a well cared for MacDougall should also increase over time, as they are rather rare and sought after by collectors and many high-level players.

Some of these old pipes can be finicky when striking in with modern reeds, and the bass may also have a tendency to tune fairly low with modern chanters. Such problems can be solved (at least they were in my case…) by using a bottom joint with a slightly smaller bore diameter. A Dunbar bass bottom joint has given excellent results in my set.

Duncan MacDougall drones should give you a full, rich and complex sound. As far as reeds go, you may consider using Ezeedrones in the tenors (short or regular) and a carbon Crozier in the bass.

Jim McGillivray sells replicas of Duncan MacDougall pipes which are made by Dunbar. The Robertson reproduction pipes he offers are also fantastic, and quite affordable.
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Old 09-04-2019, 11:40 PM   #4
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Well Said, Alain.

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If you have the opportunity to acquire a set of MacDougall pipes in good condition (preferably one made by Duncan, although his son Gavin also made excellent instruments), if you can afford such a quality instrument, and if you are serious about investing time and effort in piping - go for it without hesitation over any Hardie. You will likely never need another pipe unless you eventually need a traveling set (risky to cross borders with ivory mounted pipes) or one for use in foul weather or massed bands (where it could suffer damages).

The value of a well cared for MacDougall should also increase over time, as they are rather rare and sought after by collectors and many high-level players.

Some of these old pipes can be finicky when striking in with modern reeds, and the bass may also have a tendency to tune fairly low with modern chanters. Such problems can be solved (at least they were in my case…) by using a bottom joint with a slightly smaller bore diameter. A Dunbar bass bottom joint has given excellent results in my set.

Duncan MacDougall drones should give you a full, rich and complex sound. As far as reeds go, you may consider using Ezeedrones in the tenors (short or regular) and a carbon Crozier in the bass.

Jim McGillivray sells replicas of Duncan MacDougall pipes which are made by Dunbar. The Robertson reproduction pipes he offers are also fantastic, and quite affordable.
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Old 09-08-2019, 04:15 PM   #5
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If you have the opportunity to acquire a set of MacDougall pipes in good condition (preferably one made by Duncan, although his son Gavin also made excellent instruments), if you can afford such a quality instrument, and if you are serious about investing time and effort in piping - go for it without hesitation over any Hardie. You will likely never need another pipe unless you eventually need a traveling set (risky to cross borders with ivory mounted pipes) or one for use in foul weather or massed bands (where it could suffer damages).

The value of a well cared for MacDougall should also increase over time, as they are rather rare and sought after by collectors and many high-level players.

Some of these old pipes can be finicky when striking in with modern reeds, and the bass may also have a tendency to tune fairly low with modern chanters. Such problems can be solved (at least they were in my case…) by using a bottom joint with a slightly smaller bore diameter. A Dunbar bass bottom joint has given excellent results in my set.

Duncan MacDougall drones should give you a full, rich and complex sound. As far as reeds go, you may consider using Ezeedrones in the tenors (short or regular) and a carbon Crozier in the bass.

Jim McGillivray sells replicas of Duncan MacDougall pipes which are made by Dunbar. The Robertson reproduction pipes he offers are also fantastic, and quite affordable.
Be careful, though. Many pipes are supposed to be "MacDougall's" which aren't. Post pictures and ask for comments from those who are familiar with authentic (= stamped) MacDougall pipes!
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Old 09-09-2019, 10:00 AM   #6
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Did all MacDougal have brass lined drones.?? Read something about that Not sure I like that. Wetness would be similar to plastic pipes.
No. Some did and some didn't. It's not an exclusively MacDougall characteristic, either.
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Old 09-09-2019, 10:14 AM   #7
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Hi Fella's

Thanks for all the info and suggestions. . I changed my mind on both.. Bought a set of MacLeod Full set imitation with Pipers Choice case orig chanter and band chanter all set up and ready to play. Piper that owned them played a couple of tunes ,, they sounded find.. And quite light weight. Blackwood , Bannatyne zip bag.. All for $675 Canadian..

Not sure if paid too much or not but I am ok with them.

Other ones I had asked about all had cracks in wood and the imit ivory..

Thanks again
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Old 09-10-2019, 01:10 PM   #8
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Not Mac Dougals, but that sounds like a good price for a decent bagpipe. You can always buy something collectible later if you want.
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just curious- MacLeod, or Gillanders and McLeod (different makers)
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