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Old 01-21-2019, 05:58 PM   #1
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Default Where the Beat Falls on High G Doubling

Hello,

'Where the beat falls' has been discussed extensively on here. I've read through several threads and didn't walk away with an understanding of the beat on high g doubings.

As an example: a strathspey movement with Beat 1 (dotted F doubling, cut D), Beat 2 (dotted high G doubling, cut D).

Does the high G doubling beat land when the finger quickly snaps onto the chanter to make the f note?

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Old 01-21-2019, 06:22 PM   #2
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Default Re: Where the Beat Falls on High G Doubling

The beat is at the start of the first high g.
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Old 01-21-2019, 06:50 PM   #3
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Default Re: Where the Beat Falls on High G Doubling

I believe my foot lands on the F gracenote/strike.
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Old 01-22-2019, 06:42 AM   #4
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Default Re: Where the Beat Falls on High G Doubling

I've always contended that high A and high G doublings are more properly "throws" than standard doublings like F, E, D, C and B. They are much more like a D throw and I would put the beat at the end in the high A 'doubling' at the end of the first gracenote. In other words, the foot hits the floor when the high A finger hits the chanter.


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Old 01-22-2019, 06:54 AM   #5
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Default Re: Where the Beat Falls on High G Doubling

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I've always contended that high A and high G doublings are more properly "throws" than standard doublings like F, E, D, C and B.



They are much more like a D throw and I would put the beat at the end in the high A 'doubling' at the end of the first gracenote.



In other words, the foot hits the floor when the high A finger hits the chanter.


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Old 01-22-2019, 07:47 AM   #6
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Default Re: Where the Beat Falls on High G Doubling

A simple rule which can be applied widely is that the beat falls with the gracenote finger. A gracenote *ends* on the beat, when the finger lands. This fixes gracenotes and doublings straight away, and the high G doubling if you treat it as a G gracenote to F.



For a throw on D, it falls on the (end of the) D gracenote. For a taorluath, the end of the E gracenote.


For a strike movement, the beat falls on the beginning of the strike, so if you do your high G doubling with a G followed by a strike to F, this follows (notice how whichever method you choose, the beat falls on the same point between the gracenotes).


A useful exercise is to play a series of G gracenotes and tap your foot and feel the finger hitting the chanter together with your foot hitting the floor. This can be extended to more or less anything.
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Old 01-22-2019, 08:54 AM   #7
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Default Re: Where the Beat Falls on High G Doubling

In line with what Jim and CalumII are saying (I think) if your high G doubling starts with a high A grace note, the beat falls at the end of the high a gracenote/beginning of the high G gracenote.

Whereas if you’re playing the “half doubling” (as I assumed in my earlier post) the beat falls at the end of the high G gracenote/beginning of the F gracenote.

Either way the beat is in the same spot: at the end of the first gracenote/beginning of the second gracenote. The same is true for any doubling.

For a light throw, the beat would be at the beginning of the C gracenote, so that would differ from the doubling placement because it’s the 3rd gracenote in the series, not the second. I’m pretty sure the beat falls on the C in my heavy throw as well, pusing it to the 4th gracenote. Toarluaths would go all the way out to the “big” note, falling at the end of the E gracenote. I’ll stop there.
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Old 01-28-2019, 01:26 PM   #8
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Default Re: Where the Beat Falls on High G Doubling

It's worth noting that, to piggy-back on what Jim said, that some tunes have "proper" high G doublings, as is the case in last part of The Little Cascade (at least according to the setting I use) which to me furthers the credence that "normal" high G doublings are really throws.
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