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Old 02-15-2019, 07:15 PM   #1
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Default A New History of the Bagpipes Video

Another one on youtube. This one's actually done on an archaeologists channel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V15F7iSOmMQ&t=3s
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Old 02-15-2019, 08:16 PM   #2
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Old 02-16-2019, 08:14 AM   #3
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Old 02-17-2019, 06:15 AM   #4
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Another one on youtube. This one's actually done on an archaeologists channel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V15F7iSOmMQ&t=3s
He calls himself an "antiquarian" (not an archaeologist).

The beginning wasn't promising, when he misspelt "origin".

But mostly these are the same things I've been saying for 30 years. More power to him for hunting down the sources and letting the sources themselves either 1) show that they don't concern bagpipes 2) show that they probably do concern bagpipes or 3) show that they are inconclusive.

BTW he made a couple factual errors about how instruments work that I commented on there

1) at 10:16 he states that one can't use half-holing technique on reed pipes. This is patently untrue because half-holing is standard technique on a mouthblown reed pipe like the Duduk and on a bagpipe like the Gaita Asturiana.

2) at 11:06 he states that once you put a reed pipe in a bag it can't overblow into a higher octave. This is also patently untrue because leaping the octave is standard technique on several bagpipe species.

It's interesting to have three Roman sources using three different ways of describing instruments which are almost certainly bagpipes. Seems that Dio Chrysostom didn't have a ready word and had to describe it, almost like it was novel to him.

The other writers have ready terms in Latin (utricularium) and Greek (ascaules) the latter leaving no doubt that it's a bagpipe.
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Old 02-17-2019, 06:37 PM   #5
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He calls himself an "antiquarian" (not an archaeologist).

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BTW he made a couple factual errors about how instruments work that I commented on there

1) at 10:16 he states that one can't use half-holing technique on reed pipes. This is patently untrue because half-holing is standard technique on a mouthblown reed pipe like the Duduk and on a bagpipe like the Gaita Asturiana.

2) at 11:06 he states that once you put a reed pipe in a bag it can't overblow into a higher octave. This is also patently untrue because leaping the octave is standard technique on several bagpipe species.

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1. it's entirely possible to play a low G# and an Eflat/D# on GHB by half-holing. Whether one would find it useful or desirable is a separate question.

2. Uillean pipes overblow a second octave, as do many borderpipes- some another fifth, some up to B or even C#.

(my comments are based on experimentation and experience).
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Old 02-18-2019, 06:49 PM   #6
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Yes exactly. You can half-hole notes on any woodwind: flutes, shawms, whistles, bagpipes.

And loads of bagpipes overblow the octave: Lowland pipes, uilleann pipes, Spanish pipes, Central French pipes.

So I have no idea where that guy got his incorrect ideas about bagpipe technology and technique.
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Old 02-19-2019, 09:40 AM   #7
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....and at the risk of appearing to be cruel; his voice is certainly appropriate to any discussion of the bagpipe in that it is a continual drone....
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...his voice...is a continual drone....
One of my university professors had an incredibly boring monotonous voice. If you listened past his dull voice you were rewarded with quite interesting lectures. That Antiquarian guy has nothing on him!
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