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I know the subject of ever increasing chanter pitch comes up from time to time, and this video showed up on my YouTube suggestions.
It's not about piping/pipe band tuning, but it is about how pitch was increasing in the classical orchestral world and thought people here might find it interesting to see that we pipers/the pipe band world are not alone in pitch creep. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzznBt8tVnI
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Just more evidence that we are all going to the dogs....
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![]() Jim!!, Thank you!! Marvelous vid!! Wonderful art!! Wonderful education!! A "Must See"... for all..... :) Again, many thanks!!, and...Regards, Pip01
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But the 19th century British pitch was not A=439 but A=452, called Old Philharmonic Pitch.
It's why old flutes saxes etc play so sharp, unless marked "LP" (low pitch) which is A=440. Our modern B flat=480 is very close to A=452, meaning that in the 1990s Pipe Bands finally rose to the pitch that English orchestras were playing at a century earlier. But yes clarinets are commonly offered today at A=440 and A=442 due to so many orchestras playing higher than 440.
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I think our pitch creep is more about the drones than the chanters.
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Precisely...I despise modern drum heads and their right din.
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![]() FWIW, I don't have a dog in this fight- I play older pipes set up for 466 HZ because when I'm not playing solo, I'm playing with other instruments that are concert pitch.
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That's an interesting twist! Especially because so many players are playing old drones which were designed to play around A=450 to A=460, or modern copies of those drones. I was playing in bands when the huge pitch leap from 466 to the mid-470s occurred (from the late 1970s through the 1980s) and most serious pipers were playing drones from the 1890-1930 period. The trick was to find small enough tenor reeds to overdrive the drones up to the higher pitch. (We're talking cane reeds then.) A fictitious parallel situation would be if top clarinet players were all playing old clarinets designed to play a quarter-tone lower than today's standard, and mouthpiece and reed makers were constantly experimenting with ways to force those old flat clarinets to play up to modern pitch. I was talking to a professional clarinetist about it and he said that such a thing would be inconceivable in the clarinet world.
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