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Old 04-09-2018, 06:00 PM   #11
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So, one would guess you don't like the look of rivetted pipe bags, without considering if they may indeed work as well or better than stitched bags and perhaps last longer as well? One would think an attractive bag cover would render that irrelevant

Hello,

Certainly one could guess, but I am happy to tell you the actual reasons for my preference:

I don't like the look, but more important is the fact that I don't like the significant added bulk and rigidity of riveted bags as compared to stitched. A bag cover would make the situation worse with regard to each of those concerns.

Of course I have considered if riveted bags "may indeed work as well or better than stitched bags and perhaps last longer as well" but having read many interesting sources, until seeing your comments, I had not learned anything suggesting any of that to be true.

I'm eager to learn, and would welcome any knowledge you might have relating to the functional differences between the two assembly methods. Do you have reason to believe that riveted bags "work as well or better" than stitched bags? Do you know that riveted bags "last longer" than stitched bags, or have other advantages that I have not noticed?

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Old 04-10-2018, 04:22 AM   #12
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Hello,

Certainly one could guess, but I am happy to tell you the actual reasons for my preference:

I don't like the look, but more important is the fact that I don't like the significant added bulk and rigidity of riveted bags as compared to stitched. A bag cover would make the situation worse with regard to each of those concerns.

Of course I have considered if riveted bags "may indeed work as well or better than stitched bags and perhaps last longer as well" but having read many interesting sources, until seeing your comments, I had not learned anything suggesting any of that to be true.

All the best, and sincere thanks,

A.C.
I'm not sure there's added bulk or rigidity with riveted bags, and certainly there are pipers who are quite happy to use MacHarg bags, but it seems this discussion could merit a thread of its own.

I don't really have a horse in this race: I've been using Gannaway pipe bags, which are neither sewn nor riveted, on my GHB for many years now. (I'm not sure if they make Uillean pipe bags). My Lowland pipes and smallpipes bags both came from the makers with sewn seams.

I was just curious as to whether your objection was based on looks alone or if you had ever tried one of the riveted type and found it annoying.
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Old 04-10-2018, 05:14 AM   #13
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I'm not sure there's added bulk or rigidity with riveted bags, and certainly there are pipers who are quite happy to use MacHarg bags, but it seems this discussion could merit a thread of its own.

I don't really have a horse in this race: I've been using Gannaway pipe bags, which are neither sewn nor riveted, on my GHB for many years now. (I'm not sure if they make Uillean pipe bags). My Lowland pipes and smallpipes bags both came from the makers with sewn seams.

I was just curious as to whether your objection was based on looks alone or if you had ever tried one of the riveted type and found it annoying.

Hello,

I appreciate your comments.

I have two UP sets...

The first is a practice set with a bag that is not riveted.

The second is a full set with a riveted bag.

Both seem to function well in the sense that they are equally airtight.

But, the riveted bag is stiffer, heavier, and much more bulky.

Of course, with a grand total of two bags as the basis for my experience, this ain't exactly science, but switching between the two sets was what starting me thinking about the issue.

All the best,

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Old 04-10-2018, 09:12 AM   #14
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Hi,


I loved my Jackie Boyce Uilleann pipe bag. Here's a link-


http://www.pipebagmaker.com/




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Old 04-10-2018, 06:35 PM   #15
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Regarding the MacHarg riveted bags:

I had one put on my pipes back in about 1994 and I loved it. Very similar to an L&M as far as leather quality was concerned. No leaking. No problems. It lasted a very long time and I eventually went over to sheepskin and sold off the bag. It might still be in use today, who knows.
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Old 04-14-2018, 11:48 AM   #16
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The weight difference between the riveted and sewn bags noted above is in the thickness of the leather used, not the rivets.
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The weight difference between the riveted and sewn bags noted above is in the thickness of the leather used, not the rivets.
Hello,

I thank you for your comment, but wonder why might you believe that to be true?

My riveted bag has a total of 51 rivets, so I have 51 rivet shafts going through the leather. In addition, each of the rivets has a head about 3/8" in diameter, and that brings us to a total of 102 such heads, because the same head appears on both sides of the bag.

Are you really of the belief that the total weight of all that metal is less than, or equal to, the weight of a piece of thread sewn around the same contour?

Sincere thanks for any further thoughts,

A.C.

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Old 04-15-2018, 10:14 AM   #18
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I am not saying that the rivets don't add weight, (maybe a half ounce), but that a thicker bag would be well over an ounce more in weight. The post describes a riveted bag that is "stiffer, heavier and much more bulky". I suggest that it is the thickness if the leather rather than the rivets that makes it so. The rivets would not make it stiffer and more bulky and there is more weight difference from the leather than the rivets. When I find some here, I will weigh 51 rivets and report back.
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I am not saying that the rivets don't add weight, (maybe a half ounce), but that a thicker bag would be well over an ounce more in weight. The post describes a riveted bag that is "stiffer, heavier and much more bulky". I suggest that it is the thickness if the leather rather than the rivets that makes it so. The rivets would not make it stiffer and more bulky and there is more weight difference from the leather than the rivets. When I find some here, I will weigh 51 rivets and report back.
Hello again,

I appreciate your comments, and wish you the best,

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Old 04-16-2018, 02:04 PM   #20
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Hello to all,

I had ordered a Geoff Wooff shaped, stitched bag, from Kelleher Traditional a few days ago.

It just arrived, is beautifully made, and is far less bulky than the riveted bag it will soon replace. I am eager to tie it in.

All the best,

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