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Old 12-20-2016, 08:42 AM   #1
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Default Strike in tips

Hi all,

I'm having a devil of a time with my strike-ins.
I can get the bass going pretty well, but the tenors always start up an octave above. Then with pressure from my elbow I can squeeze them down to the octave where they should be.
I have tried moving the spot where I hit the bag but to no avail so far.
I have tried moving the bridle on the tenor reeds but this has not helped either.
Am I doing something wrong here? I was looking for videos on You Tube but so far haven't found the one that addresses my specific problem.
Thanks in advance (again).
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Old 12-20-2016, 09:03 AM   #2
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It sounds like you're hearing your tenors double tone. This is normal and they should drop to normal pitch when or just before the chanter kicks in.

If that's not the case, it might help to know what drones and reeds you're using.
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Old 12-20-2016, 11:06 AM   #3
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Ah... DRCTL...

Thou shalt not be the first... and most certainly... nor the last...
to have this particular waltz-about... with The Great Beast!! :)

(Just a part... o' sloggin' up... that hill. :)

Please do bear with me... as I do not intend to give you either
a short... or a silly answer... but as with much else in this... The
Piping Game... it is mainly just... practice... practice... practice...

In times past... having assisted several folk with and through
this particular dilemma... I have likened it to... and have made
and drawn parallels with...

* The learning of being able to... easily and without thought...
manually shifting the transmission gears in a moving vehicle...
which is usually and most often... fraught... with self-conscious
difficulties and perils... ('Twas ever thus...)

* And... if there is any experience with farm or livestock... the
being able to address... a large horse... (well, they're all pretty
big :)... and being able to then ride... and coax and steer him or
her... where you may wish to go...

Each set... the bag... the reeds... are all different... and indeed!!...
given the vagaries of moisture and temperatures we confront...
the same set... may not strike-in... in the exact same manner...
all of the time... (This... too... was ever thus... :)

Given all of your possible variables... it is almost impossible...
as well as presumptuous... to try to suggest how you might go
about it... save this...

If you've a friend that you consider to do their strike-ins well...
arrange a practice session with them... and have a go at it
together...

The company will be good... the self-consciousness will then
lessen... and the progress will begin to come...

Much of what we learn to do in our playing... is rather like
someone learning to ride a bicycle... We fall down... and fall
down... and fall down...and then... one day(!!)... damned if we're
not pedalling down the lane... and haven't the foggiest as to
how... or even exactly when... this new skill... landed upon us!! :)

Alas... DRCTL... just keep after it!!

It will come!!

Promise!! :)

All the Best!!

Pip01

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Old 12-20-2016, 11:17 AM   #4
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try setting the tenor reeds out about 1/8" further from the wood...up to maybe 1/4" total. make sure they are seated solidly
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Old 12-20-2016, 11:56 AM   #5
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Mine do that sometimes, it goes away when I strike harder.
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Old 12-20-2016, 12:26 PM   #6
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Is it possible that the tenor drone reeds are a little too strong in comparison to that of the bass drone reed, i.e., they are not adjusted to 'engage' in unison?

'Ideally' all three reeds should have the bridles adjusted for equal strength for strike-in, if at all possible, before your chanter reed sounds. One possible test is to cork your chanter stock, blow up the pipes, tap the three drones off, blow again, and then wait to see how close together the drone reeds will sound as the air slowly leaves your bag through the reeds. This may take a while, maybe even more than a minute if your set-up is tight. I can't recall if an easier reed will sound first (it should, shouldn't it?), but if the reeds do not come on together the bridles may have to be set up to a similar strength. The differences will be in seconds. Obviously, this is also a great test of how airtight your current set-up is.

If the tenors are sounding more closer together than they are to the bass equalizing their strength 'may' solve your problem. I say 'may' because sometimes it is difficult to set them perfectly in unison. What type of reeds are you playing? To make them easier try moving the adjustment bridle on each tenor towards the end of the reed. Good luck with it.
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Old 12-20-2016, 12:52 PM   #7
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[QUOTE=HighlandPark;1308774

If the tenors are sounding more closer together than they are to the bass equalizing their strength 'may' solve your problem. I say 'may' because sometimes it is difficult to set them perfectly in unison. What type of reeds are you playing? To make them easier try moving the adjustment bridle on each tenor towards the end of the reed. Good luck with it.

[/QUOTE]

All spot on. I'd only add .......to visit the Piper's Dojo site to see the vid about setting drone reeds for maximum efficiency.
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Old 12-20-2016, 01:09 PM   #8
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Sometimes a poorly adjusted bridal - too open or too closed. Maybe a worn out bridal if the reeds are old. Maybe a tongue is "fatigued" and needs replacement. Maybe dirt under the tongue. Maybe some "flash" inside the reed or fuzz/debris inside the drone.
Technique like you say - where you strike the bag. When you blow during the strike. (some great videos on YouTube from Chris Hamilton)
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Old 12-20-2016, 02:13 PM   #9
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It sounds like you're hearing your tenors double tone. This is normal and they should drop to normal pitch when or just before the chanter kicks in.

If that's not the case, it might help to know what drones and reeds you're using.
Is double tone considered a negative during solo competition? If this is considered OK then maybe I don't need to worry about it quite so much. I am new to the competition scene and that's mostly what I am concerned about.
Thanks
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Old 12-20-2016, 02:18 PM   #10
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Originally Posted by Pip01 View Post
Ah... DRCTL...

Thou shalt not be the first... and most certainly... nor the last...
to have this particular waltz-about... with The Great Beast!!

(Just a part... o' sloggin' up... that hill.

Please do bear with me... as I do not intend to give you either
a short... or a silly answer... but as with much else in this... The
Piping Game... it is mainly just... practice... practice... practice...

In times past... having assisted several folk with and through
this particular dilemma... I have likened it to... and have made
and drawn parallels with...

* The learning of being able to... easily and without thought...
manually shifting the transmission gears in a moving vehicle...
which is usually and most often... fraught... with self-conscious
difficulties and perils... ('Twas ever thus...)

* And... if there is any experience with farm or livestock... the
being able to address... a large horse... (well, they're all pretty
big ... and being able to then ride... and coax and steer him or
her... where you may wish to go...

Each set... the bag... the reeds... are all different... and indeed!!...
given the vagaries of moisture and temperatures we confront...
the same set... may not strike-in... in the exact same manner...
all of the time... (This... too... was ever thus...

Given all of your possible variables... it is almost impossible...
as well as presumptuous... to try to suggest how you might go
about it... save this...

If you've a friend that you consider to do their strike-ins well...
arrange a practice session with them... and have a go at it
together...

The company will be good... the self-consciousness will then
lessen... and the progress will begin to come...

Much of what we learn to do in our playing... is rather like
someone learning to ride a bicycle... We fall down... and fall
down... and fall down...and then... one day(!!)... damned if we're
not pedalling down the lane... and haven't the foggiest as to
how... or even exactly when... this new skill... landed upon us!!

Alas... DRCTL... just keep after it!!

It will come!!

Promise!!

All the Best!!

Pip01

PIP,
Thanks for the advice and the excellent anaogies! Somehow I think I knew that the answer was more time on the pipes. I will keep after it, I'm nothing if not stubborn and determined.
Cheers,
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