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Old 06-24-2017, 04:18 PM   #1
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Default Ground & first variation competition question

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If one is playing in a ground and first variation contest, do you play the ground, variation and then the first line of the ground again to finish? How does that work? Thanks, Ralph Drew
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Old 06-24-2017, 04:22 PM   #2
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Hello,
If one is playing in a ground and first variation contest, do you play the ground, variation and then the first line of the ground again to finish? How does that work? Thanks, Ralph Drew
It would be prudent to confirm this in your local PBA rules ( if sanctioned games) ...rather than depend on someone here ...and maybe get it wrong.
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Old 06-27-2017, 05:37 AM   #3
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Default Re: ground and first variation competition question

El gaitero is right, check the rules. But there will almost certainly be no rule against doing so. Also a great opportunity to play one of those pieces that only has a ground and a variation or two if you can (I like hihorodo hao) You don't otherwise get to play those in a competition.
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Old 06-27-2017, 07:08 AM   #4
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Definitely check the rules of the sanctioning organization. BUT ... to be fair though, I've got to say there can often be some ambiguity in the rules with some of the the competition associations. This makes it hard to just "go by the rules." I've found this to be difficult, from time to time.

I would suggest the original poster specify the area/association in question, so that at least some folks on here from that area could try and help out based on their own experience.

But as mentioned, unless commenters are direct representatives of that authority, their contributions should be thought of as "helpful, but unconfirmed." If possible, I would try to gain confirmation by trying to contact the sanctioning organization thru their website/social media/email.

If they don't get back to you, then at least you'll have the helpful input of kind, informed folks on here (of which there are a great many).

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Old 06-27-2017, 07:43 AM   #5
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Hey, Ralph. BCPA rules/music guidelines just indicate "ground and next variation" for Grade 4. You would not be subject to dismissal if you play just those. However, I suggest that you e-mail or call one of the Colins, Jeff, or another judge. I wouldn't be surprised if you get varied responses; but you'll get some sense of their preference.
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Old 06-27-2017, 07:51 AM   #6
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I have often thought about this. I wonder if the doubling of the Urlar counts as a variation? Now not all tunes have a doubling of the Urlar but some do.
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Old 06-27-2017, 12:47 PM   #7
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Ron, in WUSPBA-land it is ground plus whichever variation immediately follows the ground, regardless of what it is called.
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Old 06-27-2017, 03:16 PM   #8
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This was one of my beefs with the wording of the rules for piobaireachd. Here in WUSPBA territory, it was originally just the ground that was played in Grade IV. Then they changed the rules to be "ground and doubling of the ground" which caused all kinds of confusion since—by the book—you might have to skip, say, a thumb variation, to get to the literal "ground doubling". Eventually, it went to "Ground and 1st Variation" which was also problematic when it comes to terminology.

Check with your association, but it's almost certainly the ground plus whatever is the next section (variation, doubling, whatever) then you stop. No need to play anything else—and in fact, playing anything else adds the risk of messing up.

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Old 06-27-2017, 03:28 PM   #9
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Thanks for all the comments. I have written the games for some clarification but i like the idea of atopping without repeating thebfirst line of the ground again.
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Old 06-27-2017, 05:48 PM   #10
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You should check with your pipe band association (BC Pipers), not the games:
http://www.bcpipers.org/about/contacts/

It looks like Moira Mack (entries@bcpipers.org) is the one to contact.

(Trust me, I've run a solo piping competition and am a former Executive Secretary for the Western United States Pipe Band Association.)

Andrew

p.s. I'll bet you $100 right now that they will not require you to go back and repeat the first line of the ground after playing just the ground and first variation. There's virtually zero chance that that is required!
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