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Old 05-19-2019, 10:34 AM   #11
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Default Re: How to create a tune with an exotic/oriental/middle eastern flare?

Arabs and Jews often listen to each other's music here. We share genetics, so we might as well share music.

Reception of Jewish music on the pipes in America by Jews, works, I speculate, because of the environment. In the homeland piping has been well received as a musical art form. People want to know the history, the use of drones, fingering technique, tones, tuning, melodic structure. They are exotic. In America, even as an undergrad 45 years ago bagpipes were not rare, and many heard pipe bands in parades. Here the older people might recall imperial British forces and kilted troops. Not a cheerie memory. We are in a long and successful deassimilation process. We love other people's music, learn it, play it, but prefer to keep exotic music as a distinct, authentic form, and to not dilute our own forms. Though perhaps all music is syncretic and acquisitive ultimately.
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Old 05-21-2019, 01:25 PM   #12
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Israel is an Asian country and the Hijaz scale is common and popular here. We are oriental, though Westerners sometimes think of only South Asia and the Far East as oriental and Asian. But we are Asian and Eastern here, and it shows up in our traditional and pop music. Sometimes even in our piping.
Hi David,

Thanks for the clarification; I have to admit, I am a bit foggy on the exact geographical divides between the Middle East, South Asia and the Far East. In my response above, when I used the "oriental" adjective, I was thinking more about my own personal mental image of the sound of Far Eastern music, which is likely more stereotypical than it should be. In any case, it is always interesting to learn about any different sound or style that can add variety to our music.

Thanks again,
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Old 05-22-2019, 06:48 AM   #13
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it is always interesting to learn about any different sound or style that can add variety to our music.
Like Honey Blo!

https://youtu.be/ecfFDpl1IMo

Or Rufus Harley!

https://youtu.be/Bq1kVLHxCQA



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Old 05-22-2019, 07:44 AM   #14
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I' have learned a few Bagad tunes, and they do have a different sound from the Scottish and Irish traditions, however they have much less of an oriental or East Asian feel to myself than some may describe. Perhaps its the call and repeat when played against the Bombard.

As for a Western tune which gets associated with Eastern music, Sou Gan, which is Welsh works towards that. Oriental style though does tend more to a Pentatonic Scale than the Octave of western music.

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Old 05-22-2019, 09:40 AM   #15
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Like Honey Blo!

https://youtu.be/ecfFDpl1IMo

Or Rufus Harley!

https://youtu.be/Bq1kVLHxCQA



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Old 05-31-2019, 04:54 AM   #16
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I have learned a few Bagad tunes...they have much less of an oriental or East Asian feel to myself than some may describe.
Most Breton pipe music I've heard is in a straightforward minor (aeolian) mode, the mode you get playing with B as the keynote on the Highland chanter, a scale with a minor 3rd, 6th, and 7th.

Since loads of our Christmas carols, hymns, film scores, and even pop music is minor there's nothing "exotic" about playing in the aeolian mode.

If you want "exotic" go hijaz.

BTW I heard Rufus Harley playing Hava Nagila and it was all wrong, in a minor scale rather than a hijaz scale. He was playing ordinary B and C natural, rather than B flat and C sharp as it is in the actual tune.
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Old 06-08-2019, 01:54 AM   #17
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The easiest way to begin is with a basic pentatonic scale, which on the pipe chanter is:


A-C-D-E-G-a and down again.



then just play around with it adding other notes as you see fit. Much 'oriental' music has this scale as its basis.
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Old 06-09-2019, 04:23 AM   #18
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A-C-D-E-G-a
Do you mean C? or C#?

There's a commonly heard pentatonic scale like the one you give with C (natural) which occurs with Native American flutes, hymns, folk songs, and Waulking songs.

There are several pentatonic scales often heard on the pipes.

Amazing Grace is pentatonic, BTW, the scale being

A B D E F# a (no C or G)

The pentatonic scale used in many pipe tunes is

A B D E G a (no C or F)

Another common one with pipe tunes and music in general is

A B C# E F# a (no D or G)
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Old 06-09-2019, 01:13 PM   #19
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[QUOTE=pancelticpiper;1338018]Do you mean C? or C#?

As played on a standard fingering pipe chanter.
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Old 06-09-2019, 09:16 PM   #20
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What makes music sound Jewish

Freylakh/joyous music and freygish/Phrygian mode.

https://jewishstudies.washington.edu...-sound-jewish/
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