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Old 06-01-2019, 01:37 AM   #21
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[QUOTE=MacTallanambeann;1337853]Isn't that odd? The only set of pipes I have ever had problems with were a set of new Kintails (my first ever personal set) around 1984. The drones just would not tune.

I considered gifting them to someone but then thought that would just doom some aspiring young player, they were my first set - so some sentimental value - currently just sticks and stocks not tied in! They may end up as one of those wall hangings OR firewood OR those drone lampshades
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Old 06-01-2019, 05:26 AM   #22
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[QUOTE=Repip;1337859][QUOTE=MacTallanambeann;1337853]Isn't that odd? The only set of pipes I have ever had problems with were a set of new Kintails (my first ever personal set) around 1984. The drones just would not tune.

I considered gifting them to someone but then thought that would just doom some aspiring young player, they were my first set - so some sentimental value - currently just sticks and stocks not tied in! They may end up as one of those wall hangings OR firewood OR those drone lampshades [/QUOTE


why not, for a pretty reasonable sum, take advantage of the pipe maker/refurb shop resources available in CAN and have them made into a top notch instrument.
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Old 06-01-2019, 07:05 AM   #23
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My major takeaway is that, in general, older sets function better than newer sets.
Why do you think this is?
Material? Design ("Kiddized")?

Certainly modern makers have examined these older pipes and used them as a basis for their current models. If that is so and the designs are the same, I wonder what makes the older sets so much better..?

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Old 06-02-2019, 04:30 AM   #24
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Why do you think this is?
Material? Design ("Kiddized")?

Certainly modern makers have examined these older pipes and used them as a basis for their current models. If that is so and the designs are the same, I wonder what makes the older sets so much better..?

-Matthew

Good question, and the for the answer I wouldn’t put all my money on magical wood used 125 years ago. The fact is the vast majority of these pipes represent their forefathers in name only. It is slick marketing to say your pipes are directly modeled after such and such pipes when in fact they have been highly modified so that they tune better. The other fact is, there are some old sets that are excellent pipes, and there are a lot of old sets that are below average even compared to modern made pipes.
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Old 06-04-2019, 07:52 PM   #25
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modern makers have examined these older pipes and used them as a basis...

If that is so and the designs are the same....
There's a potentially vast gulf between using an old set as a basis for your work, and making your work the same as an old set.

Twice it's happened that while I was the owner of a great-playing vintage set I got to try (and measure) a new set said to be copied from a set of the same maker and time-period as the set I owned.

Both times I found that the new set had ordinary modern specs which had little correlation to the specs of any vintage set I've owned and measured. More importantly the new sets didn't function like the old sets: the easy strike-in, the steadiness, the easiness of reeding, the full spectrum of harmonics.

It's one thing to examine an old set, or even be "inspired" by it. It's another thing to make an exact copy.

I've repeatedly seen modern makers talk about using trial-and-error to arrive at their drone specs.

One approach is trying to create drones that do what we want them to do, the other approach is letting go of everything we think we know, and allowing the old makers tell us what drones are supposed to do.
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