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Old 06-01-2019, 01:37 AM   #21
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[QUOTE=MacTallanambeann;1337853]Isn't that odd? The only set of pipes I have ever had problems with were a set of new Kintails (my first ever personal set) around 1984. The drones just would not tune.

I considered gifting them to someone but then thought that would just doom some aspiring young player, they were my first set - so some sentimental value - currently just sticks and stocks not tied in! They may end up as one of those wall hangings OR firewood OR those drone lampshades
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Old 06-01-2019, 05:26 AM   #22
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[QUOTE=Repip;1337859][QUOTE=MacTallanambeann;1337853]Isn't that odd? The only set of pipes I have ever had problems with were a set of new Kintails (my first ever personal set) around 1984. The drones just would not tune.

I considered gifting them to someone but then thought that would just doom some aspiring young player, they were my first set - so some sentimental value - currently just sticks and stocks not tied in! They may end up as one of those wall hangings OR firewood OR those drone lampshades [/QUOTE


why not, for a pretty reasonable sum, take advantage of the pipe maker/refurb shop resources available in CAN and have them made into a top notch instrument.
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Old 06-01-2019, 07:05 AM   #23
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My major takeaway is that, in general, older sets function better than newer sets.
Why do you think this is?
Material? Design ("Kiddized")?

Certainly modern makers have examined these older pipes and used them as a basis for their current models. If that is so and the designs are the same, I wonder what makes the older sets so much better..?

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Old 06-02-2019, 04:30 AM   #24
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Why do you think this is?
Material? Design ("Kiddized")?

Certainly modern makers have examined these older pipes and used them as a basis for their current models. If that is so and the designs are the same, I wonder what makes the older sets so much better..?

-Matthew

Good question, and the for the answer I wouldn’t put all my money on magical wood used 125 years ago. The fact is the vast majority of these pipes represent their forefathers in name only. It is slick marketing to say your pipes are directly modeled after such and such pipes when in fact they have been highly modified so that they tune better. The other fact is, there are some old sets that are excellent pipes, and there are a lot of old sets that are below average even compared to modern made pipes.
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Old 06-04-2019, 07:52 PM   #25
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modern makers have examined these older pipes and used them as a basis...

If that is so and the designs are the same....
There's a potentially vast gulf between using an old set as a basis for your work, and making your work the same as an old set.

Twice it's happened that while I was the owner of a great-playing vintage set I got to try (and measure) a new set said to be copied from a set of the same maker and time-period as the set I owned.

Both times I found that the new set had ordinary modern specs which had little correlation to the specs of any vintage set I've owned and measured. More importantly the new sets didn't function like the old sets: the easy strike-in, the steadiness, the easiness of reeding, the full spectrum of harmonics.

It's one thing to examine an old set, or even be "inspired" by it. It's another thing to make an exact copy.

I've repeatedly seen modern makers talk about using trial-and-error to arrive at their drone specs.

One approach is trying to create drones that do what we want them to do, the other approach is letting go of everything we think we know, and allowing the old makers tell us what drones are supposed to do.
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Old 01-01-2020, 01:10 PM   #26
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I had a set I hated, couldn't get them tune, or stay in tune. Hated them. But after sometime, years, they became very easy to tune and would be stable for long periods. Looking back now it seems the problem was with the piper and not with the pipes.
I still play those old pipes and have a hell of alot of fun with them. Travelled the world with them, and competed at a good level. Not bad for a 'cheap' set.

And no you don't want to buy that make, I play this make and they are far superior

Yep! Had a ok set of Hardies early in and they were mellow easy to setup and had “ok” sound. Baugh a set of 80’s Naills and Hated them. I couldn’t get them to be soft and quiet, to set in, and they were tuning up on the pins and show hemp... RIGHT! They sounded like crap. Well after years of experience I pulled them out, put the “correct” reed set up in them tied in the correct size bag and... WOW! Sold the Hardie’s that week, what an amazing set of pipes. So if they are a good maker I believe if you hate them it’s the player and the setup. That said I definitely have had sets that just “click” they have the sound profile I like and most likely not be favored by Roddy.
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Old 01-04-2020, 03:22 PM   #27
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You almost never see posts saying "Don't buy Y, I had a set and I hated them because....."
I've only owned one set of pipes since I started 12 years ago. When I bought them it was because they were affordable and had a clean and simple design. Over time I came to learn that the maker had a bad rep and many people on this forum had spoken a good bit of trash about them in the past (archived threads long before I started piping).

But I've never had one single complaint from a judge, or anyone I've ever crossed paths with. In fact, everyone always has great things to say about the sound.

No idea if anything changed between the time of the trash talk and the time I got mine... but I love my pipes and you should buy a set because blah blah blah.
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Old 01-04-2020, 04:00 PM   #28
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One of the difficulties in such discussions has to do with the variables, of which there are many. A number have already acknowledged the player, his/her experience, etc. as one of those.

Yet an important feature is that we're talking about wood instruments. Yes, I do belong to a community that does consider vintage wood and, just as important, how that wood was cured and treated. And yet, as many have pointed out, that does not ensure quality, nor imply that newer wood is inferior.

Those are play stringed instruments are well aware of the uniqueness of instruments, and especially of bows. They know the experience of sitting in a musical instrument maker's place and trying bow after bow, each one bringing out a different sound; different nuances. It's a fascinating exercise, with some mystery attached. There is some element of magic in wood instruments of all types; pipes being no exception.
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Old 01-04-2020, 07:33 PM   #29
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Yet an important feature is that we're talking about wood instruments.



There is some element of magic in wood instruments of all types; pipes being no exception.




Greetings to All,


I find myself presently reminded of that old
Scots word, "un-canny." :)

Neither rhyme nor reason can be easily found for
Why some instruments... can make such sound.

We are all... simply lucky... when we bumble into
such. :)

Regards to All,

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Old 01-07-2020, 06:24 PM   #30
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As a new learner, i'm enjoying them more as I can get them (or that should be ME! ) to sound better.
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