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Old 08-11-2017, 05:11 PM   #1
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My ancestry is English and Welsh on my mother's side and English and Irish on my father's side. On both sides there is a sprinkling of Scottish.

What does other folks here have?
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Old 08-11-2017, 05:14 PM   #2
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I'm 100% Iranian, actually. My wife has some Scottish ancestry on her Mother's side of the family, so I adopted their tartan as my own. I might just be the first Iranian Irvine ever! ;-)


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Old 08-11-2017, 06:01 PM   #3
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Mostly Irish with a smattering of Scotts. Plenty enough to play the pipes, enjoy dark beers, Scotch and Irish Whisky.
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Old 08-11-2017, 06:27 PM   #4
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Both Parents naturalized US citizen, emigrated from Cumbria, Northern England, post WW II. Some cousins live in Scotland, multiple generations primarily English. Will be doing DNA analysis in couple weeks to determine the mix of my origins.
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Old 08-11-2017, 06:40 PM   #5
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According to my Ancestory DNA results:
40% English
26% Scandinavian
15% Irish
The balance is quite mixed, primarily European. I think my parents would have loved to have known.
With both branches of the family coming through Canadia a generation or 2 back!
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Old 08-11-2017, 06:58 PM   #6
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I don't think there's such a thing as Celtic DNA as a discrete set of haplotypes.

As Marcus Tanner writes in the Introduction to his wonderful book The Last Of The Celts

I have confined my attention to those people who speak, or within relatively recent history spoke, one of the two main branches of the Celtic languages...

I have not discussed where the Celts came from, or what their culture in Central Europe was like centuries ago, nor have I included those in the world who might define themselves as Celtic in terms of their blood ancestry or sentimental allegiance.

In other words Tanner defines "Celts" in the only way that has concrete demonstrable meaning: language.
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Old 08-11-2017, 07:08 PM   #7
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40% English
26% Scandinavian
15% Irish
So how does one determine which Scandinavian DNA came from a person who emigrated to America directly from a Scandinavian country in modern times, and which came from Scandinavian settlement of England, Scotland, and Ireland a thousand years ago?

You could be 66% English, or 41% Irish, or 26% Scottish, in terms of where your ancestors came to America from.
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Old 08-12-2017, 05:57 AM   #8
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I don't think there's such a thing as Celtic DNA as a discrete set of haplotypes.
http://discovermagazine.com/1996/jun/britishfeet799

My Dad's family is Scottish and Welsh. My Mom's is Czech and Slavic.

According to stereotype, the Welsh are all hard headed. That's me. ;-)
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Old 08-12-2017, 09:33 AM   #9
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According to stereotype, the Welsh are all hard headed. That's me. ;-)

... And truer words... were never spoken!! :)

Having arrived here upon our globe... as a Brythonic Celt... and
on both sides of the family (Heaven help me!! :) ... and stretching
back to the very early 1600s... I have just had my first... and very
involuntary... and rather explosive... Belly-Laugh... of the day!! :)

(Seems not so much "stereotype"... as incontrovertible tradition!! :)

Thank ye!!, Mister bob864!!,

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Old 08-12-2017, 10:37 AM   #10
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100% English (northern England, mind you)
Mother's side left County Mayo in the mid-1800's
An older ancestor has the town Ashton-Under-Lyne named after him, although the townsfolk killed him with an arrow in the back (not a nice guy, obviously). He was received his title from his father who was knighted for valor in the Battle Of Flodden, but I don't feel any real need to apologize for an ancestor of 700 years ago. I do suspect that he wasn't one of those nice, friendly knights though. Apart from that I have family in Glasgow and Edinburgh.

Now my wife's Scottish credentials are more impressive: MacFarlane, Murray, Cummings. They settled in the Dakota territories in the mid-1800's following the homesteading act in the small town of Aberdeen, SD. At least one of my wife's ancestors knew the Ingals Family (Little House On The Prairie), so I can only imagine what their conditions were.

I wear my mother-in-law's tartan which is Cumming.

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