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Old 05-16-2020, 02:40 PM   #1
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Looking at some tunes on ceolsean, I have noticed that many of these older tunes have this Low G gracenote thing on either side of Ds (See example in Boys Brigade: https://ceolsean.net/content/Cowal/B...Book01%206.pdf )
Any idea what this translates to in modern notation?
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Old 05-16-2020, 03:14 PM   #2
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They are a grip (LG D LG) to the following note. Eg. bar 1, there is a grip to F.


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Old 05-17-2020, 08:35 AM   #3
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Yep. You'll also often see the second low G written as a low A. Just substitute a modern grip.
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Yep. You'll also often see the second low G written as a low A. Just substitute a modern grip.
Just pondering outloud ....is it ‘right’ to call it a grip in current day context with such being 3 grace notes of 1/32 value each. Vs 1/32,1/16,1/32... but yeah, i agree Grip like is indeed the context.
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Just pondering outloud ....is it ‘right’ to call it a grip in current day context with such being 3 grace notes of 1/32 value each. Vs 1/32,1/16,1/32... but yeah, i agree Grip like is indeed the context.

I'm not aware of any evidence that the grip was, apart from the second low A, ever played substantially differently to how we do now. Both Joseph MacDonald and Glen, the only two tutors who go into useful detail, seem pretty clear on it. Whatever the logic behind the notation, which I suspect was convention, I doubt they sounded much different than we do.
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