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    I was chatting with a friend who competed recently and was docked for wearing a balmoral. The judge said it was not 'highland attire' and that he should have had on a glen.




    -Matthew

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    Re: Balmoral not acceptable?

    Were they sanctioned games? If yes,..there in no space on the scoresheet to give or take credit for what a contestant is wearing.....and obviously...unless the balmoral was actually a French beret or similar...a balmoral bonnet is about as Highland as one can get, and historically precedes a glengarry.

    I hope you will follow up with more details on this and who was the adjudicator....esp if the result meant your friend was kept out of the winners circle. I'd agree if not in Highland dress there is basis to DQ.
    Last edited by Andrew Lenz; 08-21-2017, 06:29 AM. Reason: Removed completely unnecessary block quote of entire first post.

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    • #3
      Re: Balmoral not acceptable?

      Who is the judge and why is he so stupid?

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      • #4
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        If this was a sanctioned competition, the judge should be reported. Policing dress is not their job. Quite apart from them being utterly wrong.
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        • #5
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          For my first competition as a kid, the judge was particularly grumpy, and yelled at me (literally) for not having a hat (I'd lost my glen the day before, so I was forced to play without a hat at all). I suppose I should be happy not to have been disqualified, allowing me to play anyways, though frankly, I didn't exactly enjoy it.

          I didn't do well overall, though I'm pretty sure that my performance was the reason for my poor placing, rather than his issues with my attire. And his remarks about playing sans-glen seemed to remain verbal only, with the score sheet restricted to rather discouraging remarks on my playing.

          Years later, I've learned that particular judge seemed to like presenting an apparently false facade of being grumpy and scary. People who knew him well have told me such. Silly, in my opinion, but whatever.

          I'm shocked that you would apparently be docked in scoring (especially wearing a balmoral), though when you come down to it, there may well be judges out there who will harbor not-so-nice thoughts in their head when they're in the process of assessing first place over second, and etc.

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          • #6
            Re: Balmoral not acceptable?

            Was it a competition sanctioned by the EUSPBA? IF so, EUSPBA rules clearly and specifically state on page 19 that "male competitors must wear a hat", but there's no description of said hat.
            http://euspba.org/wp-content/uploads...inal2A-jph.pdf
            Last edited by rpeitzsch; 08-21-2017, 09:18 AM.
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            • #7
              Re: Balmoral not acceptable?

              Following this subject, as I am currently wearing a Balmoral with my piping uniform. I'd like to get a clear picture of the whole story.

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              • #8
                Re: Balmoral not acceptable?

                I'll email the fellow and ask if he can give more details..
                I would think a balmoral would be more traditional than a glen..

                -Matthew

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                • #9
                  Re: Balmoral not acceptable?

                  I heard back from the fellow, and he said it was in Charleston NC a few years ago.. The judge he mentioned is active on this forum, so I think I'll let him post the name if he wants to.

                  -Matthew

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                  • #10
                    Re: Balmoral not acceptable?

                    I've seen Nick Hudson (Professional piper in the EUSPBA) regularly wear a Balmoral in EUSPBA events. No problems. The rules don't specify what kind of bonnet to wear, so...?
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                    • #11
                      Re: Balmoral not acceptable?

                      Probably the same judge who mistook my 1982 Kintail bagpipe for antique Henderson, then complimented me on its tone thinking I was playing a cane set up. When he found out otherwise he went nuts!

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                      Wes

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                      • #12
                        Re: Balmoral not acceptable?

                        You probably mean Charleston, South Carolina (SC) not North Carolina (NC).

                        I'm familiar with most of the usual judging suspects, it is hard to imagine anyone one of them so ignorant as to make that claim ---- unless the balmoral in question was some goofy, touristy Tam' o Shanter. But still, the rules apparently claim only that at bonnet needs to be worn.

                        I do recall an open ceol mor competition maybe 20 years ago when a competitor, who had played quite well, was dismissed with the comment, "The only thing wrong with this tune was you didn't wear a bonnet". Bottom of the result list and lesson learned.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Balmoral not acceptable?

                          Originally posted by rpeitzsch View Post
                          Was it a competition sanctioned by the EUSPBA? IF so, EUSPBA rules clearly and specifically state on page 19 that "male competitors must wear a hat", but there's no description of said hat.
                          http://euspba.org/wp-content/uploads...inal2A-jph.pdf
                          That's interesting. I wonder when they added the apparel section.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Balmoral not acceptable?

                            That's interesting. I wonder when they added the apparel section.
                            Just this year I guess, as it says at the top "Changes and additions are in bold type" and the apparel section is in bold..

                            You probably mean Charleston, South Carolina (SC) not North Carolina (NC).
                            Arg, yes you are correct. Sorry about that, I will blame it on eclipse madness.

                            -Matthew

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                            • #15
                              Re: Balmoral not acceptable?

                              It's funny. Out here in WUSPBA territory, the judges couldn't care less about hats. Call me a rebel, but I've never worn any headwear even once while solo competing. I never had a comment even once about it from a judge.

                              Andrew
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