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    Klondike Waldo
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  • Klondike Waldo
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    Originally posted by Lochie View Post
    That's interesting, excessive tape on high G has been a curse for years for me, solo and band....I'd love to find a maker who sells reeds with a flat high G...
    One option is to GENTLY scrape the reed just below the lips to bring the High G down. I have altered a couple of old chanters received in trade by reducing the diameter of the high G hole, and a couple by filling and re-drilling slightly lower.

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  • Greenpipe
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  • Greenpipe
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    When I played a Dunbar chanter with the band in the '80s, and the Dunbar Eller I mentioned above, the high A and G were consistently sharp and heavily taped down no matter what reed was played. That was true with the Warnock band chanters we used in the '90s. as well. With the Gilmour reeds I play in the Dunbar Eller now, little or no (with the current reed) tape is necessary. The band in those old days used ridge cut reeds all the time, the only alternative being MacAlisters or Schlagels which were too hard for us, a street band. Gilmours are moulded. Maybe that's the difference, or more likely, today's reeds are just better all round.

    My present band plays Gandy MacCallum chanters, and G1 reeds. All the chanters are taped, but this perhaps has more to do with the sound the PM wants.

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  • Lochie
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  • Lochie
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    That's interesting, excessive tape on high G has been a curse for years for me, solo and band....I'd love to find a maker who sells reeds with a flat high G...

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  • pancelticpiper
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  • pancelticpiper
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    Originally posted by tanks hobyman View Post

    There were not many good reed makers back then forcing individuals like my instructor to start making their own. Maybe this is why we have so many really good reeds available today.
    Oddly, we had a couple good reed makers here at that time.

    In any case the reeds Hardie sent with their pipes had a flatter High G than other makes gave.

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  • el gaitero
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  • el gaitero
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    Originally posted by tanks hobyman View Post

    There were not many good reed makers back then forcing individuals like my instructor to start making their own. Maybe this is why we have so many really good reeds available today.
    I’m thinking there were “many” ‘good’ reed makers...( how hard could it be?..) ..but not so many consistently good chanter makers. Hence the terminology “matched chanters”. Almost every one off the lathe was good ..but somewhy different..hence a ‘master’ had to sit with a batch and make them all very closely ‘match’..shorten a throat ~1mm,...undercut notes,..when ordered by top level winning PM’s/Bands du jour.

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  • tanks hobyman
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  • tanks hobyman
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    Originally posted by pancelticpiper View Post

    In the 1980s I worked in a shop which carried Hardie pipes.

    With the reeds that came with them, the chanter played a true scale including a lovely High G.

    With any of the other makes of reeds we carried the High G was a mile sharp.
    There were not many good reed makers back then forcing individuals like my instructor to start making their own. Maybe this is why we have so many really good reeds available today.

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  • Greenpipe
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    Yo might try a Gilmour reed; they are moulded. I play these in a 1980s Dunbar Eller chanter pitching at 470 to 474.

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  • pancelticpiper
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  • pancelticpiper
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    Originally posted by tanks hobyman View Post
    ...some creative taping on the top hand...
    In the 1980s I worked in a shop which carried Hardie pipes.

    With the reeds that came with them, the chanter played a true scale including a lovely High G.

    With any of the other makes of reeds we carried the High G was a mile sharp.

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  • tanks hobyman
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  • tanks hobyman
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    "As for "makes and models"--in this "bucket full"--and even their
    age--well--"GOK"--("God Only Knows" :-) --and while I shall quite
    readily grant--that this is far--from any "Scientific Method"--I have
    found--that the ear--at least for me--is oft time--a better resource--
    and judge--than the numbers--on any given gauge."

    Thank you for responding Pip01. Agreed, regardless of the maker or numbers on a gauge, the ear is what best determines the suitability of any reed.

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  • Pip01
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  • Pip01
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    Originally posted by tanks hobyman

    . Might I ask what reed you grace your Hardie with?


    Greetings!!--tanks hobyman--and to All,


    Living in this Old Stone Cave--as I do :-) --my chanter reed
    situation--is of two-fold--and is both--from The Past--as well
    as--The Present... :-)

    For The Present--I have access to a fine fellow--who makes
    quite excellent--synthie chanter reeds--and--in general--I use
    them--and exclusively-- for all--of my--everyday playing.
    (And inclusive--of my practice chanters.)

    The exceptions--are when--cane--is the--appropriate choice.

    And--when it's cane--then as with many--who have been in The
    Piping Game--and for a long while--I return--to my collection--of
    cane chanter reeds--(and there's a bucket full :-) --and I then
    rummage about--selecting a few "possibles"--and then--muck
    about with those--until my ear--and my fingers--have discovered--
    and have landed upon--"The Right One"--along with two or three
    others--running as Close Seconds--that are carried along to the
    playing--for and as--"backup."

    As for "makes and models"--in this "bucket full"--and even their
    age--well--"GOK"--("God Only Knows" :-) --and while I shall quite
    readily grant--that this is far--from any "Scientific Method"--I have
    found--that the ear--at least for me--is oft time--a better resource--
    and judge--than the numbers--on any given gauge...

    Trusting that this gives full answer to your question--and that it may
    also be--of some assistance...

    With Regards to You--and to All,

    Pip01




    Pip01
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    Last edited by Pip01; 11-15-2021, 08:40 AM.

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  • tanks hobyman
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  • tanks hobyman
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    My piping instructor played an early 50's Hardie. He was also a reed maker and so fashioned his own chanter reeds for his Hardie. His straight-cut reeds were smaller in dimension (overal length, staple length, blade width) than the Chesney Warnock solo reed I play. Might I ask what reed you grace your Hardie with?

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  • Pip01
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  • Pip01
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    [QUOTE=tanks hobyman]

    but none with the gift of one of Bob's well-made beauties.

    [QUOTE]


    I am graced--with having an early 50s--Hardie chanter.

    And the above quote??

    No truer words--were ever spoken...

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  • tanks hobyman
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  • tanks hobyman
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    I believe that the Hardie I am playing was an attempt by Bob Hardie to maintain the lovely projection of his chanters on the bottom hand while trying to bring the top hand back into the octave. The chanter also plays well at 480 Hz. My only skill here was to fork over the $$$$ for a gazillion reeds until I found the one I liked. I also believe that pipe makers began to lift the pitch of their instruments around the early 80's and Hardie was no exception. I also play other excellent, well-known modern-day chanters but none with the gift of one of Bob's well-made beauties.

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  • Rooklidge
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  • Rooklidge
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    Originally posted by Herb View Post
    Looking for a reed that will work in a 1970 Hardie pipe chanter
    Scroll to bottom of page.
    https://sites.google.com/site/shasta...ety/home/Pipes

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  • Texas Gael
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  • Texas Gael
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    Originally posted by tanks hobyman View Post
    I play a late 1970's early 80's Hardie with a Chesney Warnock solo reed and some creative taping on the top hand. Still a viable chanter after 40+ years. Currently playing at 476 - 478 Hz.
    Interesting that you've been able to raise the pitch by that much. When I started my bagpipe journey in 1982, Hardie and Lawrie chanters were pitching at about 470 Hz, and Kintail, Naill, and Sinclair chanters at about 472 Hz. I remember attending piping workshops where the instructors had a very difficult time trying to get all the students' chanters to tune together for massed band playing.

    Cheers -

    Wes

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