Short Chanter Bowls

[TwitchyFingers]

Has anyone noticed the trend of some of the newer chanters having a very short bowl? I find it makes removing and inserting the chanter more difficult. It this an aesthetic trend, or functional due to holes being moved upwards for sharper tuning? I like the look and function of a more hemispheric chanter bowl.
Thoughts?

[Pip01]

Hmm... Though not wishing to sound like... nor to
seem like... someone too terribly cynical... I would
hazard... that... such "movements"... requiring less
quality material... and... therefore... less time for
quality workmanship...is based upon a simple wish
for... more profits.

And this... to me... simply seems to be... rather
counterproductive.

Just my assessment...

[Patrick McLaurin]

I dunno about size, but having a cylindrical section before it actually bowls down is what I find useful.

[el gaitero]

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... such "movements"... requiring less
quality material... and... therefore... less...

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It takes more time to turn down more material to produce a smaller chalice.

[pancelticpiper]

The best were the Norm Kyle ones that were knurled to make it much easier to grip.

[Pablopicasso420]

Which part of the chanter is the bowl? just below the reed?

[EquusRacer]

Which part of the chanter is the bowl? just below the reed?

Yes; and I believe, as el gaitero, pointed out, it's called a chalice.

[Kevin]

I would hazard a guess that it has something to do with the climbing pitch of GHB chanters. Something to do with the limited space between the high A hole and the bottom of the chalice. An important consideration if you have a very animated thumb when doing high A doubling etc.

Kevin

[EquusRacer]

Is there not more to pitch than just hole position? Does the bore have some impact?

(that's very strange, when I tried to quote this post, it edited the post instead)

[Andrew Evans]

Is there not more to pitch than just hole position? Does the bore have some impact? I'm asking those who produce and/or know all about the dynamics of chanters.

you mean you don't just want some random opinions from non-experts

[Calum]

Well, some of us have been at this for a little while now and have ascertained one or two things.

Bore size apart, what matters is the distance from the mouth of the reed to the hole. So if you dig the reed seat deeper, you can have the hole further down the chanter (obviously the cone has to move too, but that's simple). Nothing is really dependent on the bowl or tenon.

[TwitchyFingers]

Until this post, I've never heard it referred to as anything but the bowl of the chanter. I know of chalice top pipes, and can see the similarity, but even online sellers call it a bowl as seen in the screencap (parts are blacked out for the anonymity of the seller and manufacturer.)
The second pic is of chanters currently in my possession. You can see the change in the bowl depth over the decades and how shallow the bowl is in the last two chanters. There doesn't seem to be enough difference in the spacing of the hole for high A to justify making the bowl so small, even though the chanters tune from south of 466 to beyond 480 as the line progresses. I find it uncomfortable to take the modern chanters in and out easily and wish makers would go back to a more utilitarian design.
And yes, that horrid teflon tape will be removed before the one chanter goes back to my student.

[pancelticpiper]

Those ivory bowls were pretty cool.

You see them more often in Victorian times, however my old PM had a 1980s wood Hardie chanter with ivory bowl, and small ivory ring just above the Sterling Silver sole.